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[Joe Starr]:And that wasn't the seaweed that was traded for with the Hilsuk by the Khaisa.

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[Joe Starr]:Another big demand was the herring eggs, which were also known as a'and.

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[Joe Starr]:And the Khaisa people seemed to have a preference for the yagya and the qaqilis versus the branches, for whatever the reason.

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[Joe Starr]:And I guess if it's something you're going to trade for, this is what you're going to get.

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[Joe Starr]:And the Khaisa people traded not only for the oolikans, but also for the valuable oil.

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[Joe Starr]:And the trading, I know stories my mother told of her grandmother having connections from going, paddling down River Senda to go work in a cannery.

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[Joe Starr]:And just dropping her strings or strands of dried hooligans which were strung onto strips of cedar bark.

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[Joe Starr]:And they're just dropped off here as probably salted hooligans as well.

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[Joe Starr]:And these were dropped off to their connections they had in this community.

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[Joe Starr]:And in the fall, on their returning home, they would stop off here, pit stop for a few days' visit, and then pick up their product that they were traded for, which was usually seaweed.

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[Joe Starr]:Back then, it was traded in big, thick cakes and chopped, as well as herring eggs, either salted or dried.

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[Joe Starr]:And the dried herring was used in the form of the needles or the branches.